The Hide and Seek Argument (Official)


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INTRODUCTION:

The Hide and Seek Argument, better know as HSA, was designed in early 2013 by well known Christian apologist Chad Elliott. The argument originated from Romans 1:20-21, which states, “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse. Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.” From this we learn that every man, even atheists, know that God exist.  It is their own undoing if they deny or suppress this obvious truth. This is basically how HSA got its name. The atheist is hiding away what they already know to be true (God exists), and seeking to place their faith in ridiculously absurd probabilities and nonsensical blind logic at all costs. Even if such a decision it means intellectual suicide.


THE FORMAL ARGUMENT:


P1: A Person who accepts an event would occur, which mathematicians say has a probability close to zero, is mentally ill or trying to suppress an obvious truth

P2: Mathematicians say, the odds of an event occurring with a probability less than 1:10^50 is close to zero.

P3: The odds of this Universe being finely tuned for human life without a creator is far worse than 1:10^50 (Around 1:10^200)

P4: Atheists accept an event would occur, which has odds far worse than ‘close to zero’.

T:  Atheists are mentally ill or trying to suppress an obvious truth



INFORMATION:

 not only does the atheist accept an events occurance with a probability lower than 1:10^200, they do so without any supporting evidence. For example if someone told me they could flip a quarter and have it land heads100 times in a row, I would never accept that to be true for two reasons...First of all because the probability of the event is ridiculous, and secondly because there is no supporting evidence that the event could happen.


Let us begin t to put this in perspective....

A Billion to One odds would be 1:10^9

1:10^15 would be ten trillion dollars in pennies, painting one red,  blind folding someone , and asking them to pick out the red penny.
So, how remote is 1 chance out of 10^100?  Well, the known cosmos is made up of about 10^84 sub-atomic particles (such as electrons, protons and neutrons), therefore 10^100  is about the number of sub-atomic particles contained in 10,000,000,000 universes the size of our cosmos. Thus, the chance of the properties of our present cosmos happening at random, would be far worse that marking one single sub-atomic particle in 10,000,000,000 universes, mixing it in thoroughly, and then successfully finding that single marked particle by one random selection.

[[What do the mathematicians say]] - Emile Borel, one of the world’s experts on mathematical probability, formulated a basic law of probability. This law states that the occurrence of any event where the chances are beyond one in one followed by 50 zeros is an event that we can state with certainty will never happen, no matter how much time is allotted and no matter how many conceivable opportunities could exist for the event to take place. Borel specifically used the word never, which indicates time is a factor in what he said.  Mr. Karl Crawford went even further than that when he gave this “basic law of probability” a proper name: Borel's Law. He said that Mathematicians generally agree that, statistically, any odds beyond 1: 10^50 have a zero probability of ever happening...This is Borel’s Law in action, which was derived by mathematician Emil Borel. Of course many people point out that cleary the probability could not be exactly zero because zero would mean no chance whatsoever. So that is specificaly why in P1 of HSA, we have chosen the language, very close to zero, so there is no confusion.


[[Some of the critical probabilities]] -
 
Critical Density---1:10^15
The Number of Electrons Compared to Protons---1:10^30
The Ratio of the Electromagnetic Force to the Gravitational Force---1:10^30


Gravity---1:10^31

Strong Nuclear Force---1: 10^40
Cosmological Constant ---1:10^53

[[Calculating all the probabilities together]] - 
In order to calculate the chance that two probabilities could happen together, we must multiply the probabilites together. For example, the chance of flipping a two-sided coin so that we get "heads," is one chance out of 2 ---and the chance of flipping two heads in a row, is the product of the two flips, or one out of 2 times 2, --or-- one chance out of 4. Once we look at every aspect of the finely tunned universe individually, we then have to begin to add them all together to arrive at our final probability assesment.
 
[[More requirements]] -

Correct size of Higgs Boson
Correct local abundance and distribution of dark matter
 
Correct relative abundances of different exotic mass particles
 Correct decay rates of different exotic mass particles
 Correct density of quasars
 Correct density of giant galaxies in the early universe
 Correct galaxy cluster size
 Correct galaxy cluster density
 Correct galaxy cluster location
 Correct galaxy size
 Correct galaxy type
 Correct galaxy mass distribution
 Correct size of galactic central bulge
 Correct galaxy location
 Correct variability of local dwarf galaxy absorption rate
 Correct quantity of galactic dust
 Correct giant star density in galaxy
 Correct frequency of gamma ray bursts in galaxy
 Correct star location relative to galactic center
 Correct star distance from co-rotation circle of galaxy
 Correct ratio of inner dark halo mass to stellar mass for galaxy
 Correct star distance from closest spiral arm
 Correct z-axis extremes of star’s orbit
 Correct proximity of solar nebula to a normal type I supernova eruption
 Correct timing of solar nebula formation relative to a normal type I supernova eruption
 Correct proximity of solar nebula to a type II supernova eruption
 Correct timing of solar nebula formation relative to type II supernova eruption
 Correct timing of hypernovae eruptions
 Correct number of hypernovae eruptions
 Correct masses of stars that become hypernovae
 Correct flux of cosmic ray protons
 Correct variability of cosmic ray proton flux
 Correct gas dispersal rate by companion stars, shock waves, and molecular cloud expansion in the Sun’s birthing star cluster
 Correct number of stars in birthing cluster
 Correct density of brown dwarfs
 Correct number of giant galaxies in galaxy cluster
 Correct number of large galaxies in galaxy cluster
 Correct number of dwarf galaxies in galaxy cluster
 Correct distance of galaxy’s corotation circle from center of galaxy
 Correct rate of diffusion of heavy elements from galactic center out to the galaxy’s corotation circle
 Correct outward migration of star relative to galactic center
 Correct degree to which exotic matter self interacts
 Correct average quantity of gas infused into the universe’s first star clusters
 Correct level of supersonic turbulence in the infant universe
 Correct number and sizes of intergalactic hydrogen gas clouds in galaxy’s vicinity
 Correct average longevity of intergalactic hydrogen gas clouds in galaxy’s vicinity
 Correct avoidance of apsidal phase locking in the orbits of planets in the planetary system
 Correct number density of the first metal-free stars to form in the universe
 Correct epoch during which the first metal-free stars form in cosmic history
 Correct average circumstellar medium density for white dwarf red giant pairs
 Correct number densities of metal-poor and extremely metal-poor galaxies
 Correct rate of growth of central spheroid for the galaxy
 Correct amount of gas infalling into the central core of the galaxy
 Correct level of cooling of gas infalling into the central core of the galaxy
 Correct heavy element abundance in the intracluster medium for the early universe
 Correct rate of infall of intergalactic gas into emerging and growing galaxies during first five billion years of cosmic history
 Correct pressure of the intra-galaxy-cluster medium
 Correct proximity of solar nebula to a type I supernova whose core underwent significant gravitational collapse before carbon deflagration
 Correct timing of solar nebula formation relative to a type I supernova whose core underwent significant gravitational collapse before carbon deflagrataion
 Correct sizes of largest cosmic structures in the universe
 Correct level of spiral substructure in spiral galaxy
 Correct supernova eruption rate when galaxy is young
 Correct zrange of rotation rates for stars are on the verge of becoming supernovae
 Correct quantity of dust formed in the ejecta of Population III supernovae
 Correct chemical composition of dust ejected by Population III stars
 Correct time in cosmic history when the merging of galaxies peaks
 Correct density of extragalactic intruder stars in solar neighborhood
 Correct density of dust-exporting stars in solar neighborhood
 Correct average rate of increase in galaxy sizes
 Correct change in average rate of increase in galaxy sizes throughout cosmic history
 Correct proximity of solar nebula to asymptotic giant branch stars
 Correct timing of solar nebula formation relative to its close approach to asymptotic giant branch stars Correct quantity and proximity of gamma-ray burst events relative to emerging solar nebula
 Correct proximity of superbubbles to planetary system during life epoch of life-support planet
 Correct proximity of strong ultraviolet emitting stars to planetary system during life epoch of life-support planet
 Correct quantity and proximity of galactic gamma-ray burst events relative to time window for intelligent life
 Correct timing of star formation peak for the universe
 Correct timing of star formation peak for the galaxy
 Correct mass of the galaxy’s central black hole
 Correct timing of the growth of the galaxy’s central black hole
 Correct rate of in-spiraling gas into galaxy’s central black hole during life epoch
 Correct distance from nearest giant galaxy
 Correct distance from nearest Seyfert galaxy
 Correct amount of mass loss by star in its youth
 Correct rate of mass loss of star in its youth
 Correct rate of mass loss by star during its middle age
 Correct quantity of magnetars (proto-neutron stars with very strong magnetic fields) produced during galaxy’s history
 Correct variation in coverage of star’s surface by faculae
 Correct ratio of galaxy’s dark halo mass to its baryonic mass
 Correct ratio of galaxy’s dark halo mass to its dark halo core mass
 Correct galaxy cluster formation rate
 Correct proximity of supernovae and hypernovae throughout history of planet and planetary system
 Correct tidal heating from neighboring galaxies
 Correct tidal heating from dark galactic and galaxy cluster halos
 Correct intensity and duration of galactic winds
 Correct density of dwarf galaxies in vicinity of home galaxy
 Correct amount of photoevaporation during planetary formation from parent star and other nearby stars
 Correct number and mass of planets in system suffering significant drift
 Correct orbital inclinations of companion planets in system
 Correct variation of orbital inclinations of companion planets
 Correct inclinations and eccentricities of nearby terrestrial planets
 Correct in-spiral rate of stars into black holes within parent galaxy
 Correct strength of magnetocentrifugally launched wind of parent star during its protostar era
 Correct degree to which the atmospheric composition of the planet departs from thermodynamic equilibrium
 Correct delivery rate of volatiles to planet from asteroid-comet belts during epoch of planet formation
 Correct amount of outward migration of Neptune
 Correct amount of outward migration of Uranus
 Correct star formation rate in parent star vicinity during history of that star
 Correct variation in star formation rate in parent star vicinity during history of that star
 Correct birth date of the star-planetary system
 Correct number of stars in system
 Correct number and timing of close encounters by nearby stars
 Correct proximity of close stellar encounters
 Correct masses of close stellar encounters
 Correct distance from nearest black hole
 Correct absorption rate of planets and planetismals by parent star
 Correct star age
 Correct star metallicity
 Correct ratio of 40K, 235,238U, 232Th to iron in star-planetary system
 Correct star orbital eccentricity
 Correct star mass
 Correct star luminosity change relative to speciation types & rates
 Correct star color
 Correct star rotation rate
 Correct rate of change in star rotation rate
 Correct star magnetic field
 Correct star magnetic field variability
 Correct stellar wind strength and variability
 Correct short period variation in parent star diameter
 Correct star’s carbon to oxygen ratio
 Correct star’s space velocity relative to Local Standard of Rest
 Correct star’s short term luminosity variability
 Correct star’s long term luminosity variability
 Correct amplitude and duration of star spot cycle
 Correct number & timing of solar system encounters with interstellar gas clouds and cloudlets
 Correct galactic tidal forces on planetary system
 Correct H3+ production
 Correct supernovae rates & locations
 Correct white dwarf binary types, rates, & locations
 Correct structure of comet cloud surrounding planetary system
 Correct polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon abundance in solar nebula
 Correct mass of Neptune
 Correct total mass of Kuiper Belt asteroids
 Correct mass distribution of Kuiper Belt asteroids
 Correct injection efficiency of shock wave material from nearby supernovae into collapsing molecular cloud that forms star and planetary system
 Correct number and sizes of planets and planetesimals consumed by star
 Correct variations in star’s diameter
 Correct level of spot production on star’s surface
 Correct variability of spot production on star’s surface
 Correct mass of outer gas giant planet relative to inner gas giant planet
 Correct Kozai oscillation level in planetary system
 Correct reduction of Kuiper Belt mass during planetary system’s early history
 Correct efficiency of stellar mass loss during final stages of stellar burning
 Correct number, mass, and distance from star of gas giant planets in addition to planets of the mass and distance of Jupiter and Saturn
 Correct planetary distance from star
 Correct inclination of planetary orbit
 Correct axis tilt of planet
 Correct rate of change of axial tilt
 Correct period and size of axis tilt variation
 Correct planetary rotation period
 Correct rate of change in planetary rotation period
 Correct planetary revolution period
 Correct planetary orbit eccentricity
 Correct rate of change of planetary orbital eccentricity
 Correct rate of change of planetary inclination
 Correct period and size of eccentricity variation
 Correct period and size of inclination variation
 Correct precession in planet’s rotation
 Correct rate of change in planet’s precession
 Correct number of moons
 Correct mass and distance of moon
 Correct surface gravity (escape velocity)
 Correct tidal force from sun and moon
 Correct magnetic field
 Correct rate of change & character of change in magnetic field
 Correct albedo (planet reflectivity)
 Correct density density of interstellar and interplanetary dust particles in vicinity of life-support planet
 Correct reducing strength of planet’s primordial mantle
 Correct thickness of crust
 Correct timing of birth of continent formation
 Correct oceans-to-continents ratio
 Correct rate of change in oceans to continents ratio
 Correct global distribution of continents
 Correct frequency, timing, & extent of ice ages
 Correct frequency, timing, & extent of global snowball events
 Correct silicate dust annealing by nebular shocks
 Correct asteroidal & cometary collision rate
 Correct change in asteroidal & cometary collision rates
 Correct rate of change in asteroidal & cometary collision rates
 Correct mass of body colliding with primordial Earth
 Correct timing of body colliding with primordial Earth
 Correct location of body’s collision with primordial Earth
 Correct position & mass of Jupiter relative to Earth
 Correct major planet eccentricities
 Correct major planet orbital instabilities
 Correct drift and rate of drift in major planet distances
 Correct number & distribution of planets
 Correct distance of gas giant planets from mean motion resonances
 Correct orbital separation distances among inner planets
 Correct oxygen quantity in the atmosphere
 Correct nitrogen quantity in the atmosphere
 Correct carbon monoxide quantity in the atmosphere
 Correct chlorine quantity in the atmosphere
 Correct aerosol particle density emitted from the forests
 Correct cobalt quantity in the earth’s crust
 Correct arsenic quantity in the earth’s crust
 Correct copper quantity in the earth’s crust
 Correct boron quantity in the earth’s crust
 Correct cadmium quantity in the earth’s crust
 Correct calcium quantity in the earth’s crust
 Correct flourine quantity in the earth’s crust
 Correct iodine quantity in the earth’s crust
 Correct magnesium quantity in the earth’s crust
 Correct nickel quantity in crust
 Correct phosphorus quantity in crust
 Correct potassium quantity in crust
 Correct tin quantity in crust
 Correct zinc quantity in crust
 Correct molybdenum quantity in crust
 Correct vanadium quantity in crust
 Correct chromium quantity in crust
 Correct selenium quantity in crust
 Correct iron quantity in oceans
 Correct tropospheric ozone quantity
 Correct stratospheric ozone quantity
 Correct mesospheric ozone quantity
 Correct water vapor level in atmosphere
 Correct oxygen to nitrogen ratio in atmosphere
 Correct quantity of greenhouse gases in atmosphere
 Correct quantity of greenhouse gases in atmosphere
 Correct rate of change in greenhouse gases in atmosphere
 Correct poleward heat transport in atmosphere by mid-latitude storms
 Correct quantity of forest & grass fires
 Correct quantity of sea salt aerosols in troposphere
 Correct soil mineralization
 Correct quantity of anaeorbic bacteria in the oceans
 Correct quantity of aerobic bacteria in the oceans
 Correct quantity of anaerobic nitrogen-fixing bacteria in the early oceans
 Correct quantity, variety, and timing of sulfate-reducing bacteria
 Correct quantity of geobacteraceae
 Correct quantity of aerobic photoheterotrophic bacteria
 Correct quantity of decomposer bacteria in soil
 Correct quantity of mycorrhizal fungi in soil
 Correct quantity of nitrifying microbes in soil
 Correct quantity & timing of vascular plant introductions
 Correct quantity, timing, & placement of carbonate-producing animals
 Correct quantity, timing, & placement of methanogens
 Correct phosphorus and iron absorption by banded iron formations
 Correct quantity of soil sulfur
 Correct ratio of electrically conducting inner core radius to radius of the adjacent turbulent fluid shell
 Correct ratio of core to shell (see above) magnetic diffusivity
 Correct magnetic Reynold’s number of the shell (see above)
 Correct elasticity of iron in the inner core
 Correct electromagnetic Maxwell shear stresses in the inner core
 Correct core precession frequency for planet
 Correct rate of interior heat loss for planet
 Correct quantity of sulfur in the planet’s core
 Correct quantity of silicon in the planet’s core
 Correct quantity of water at subduction zones in the crust
 Correct quantity of high pressure ice in subducting crustal slabs
 Correct hydration rate of subducted minerals
 Correct water absorption capacity of planet’s lower mantle
 Correct tectonic activity
 Correct rate of decline in tectonic activity
 Correct volcanic activity
 Correct rate of decline in volcanic activity
 Correct location of volcanic eruptions
 Correct continental relief
 Correct viscosity at Earth core boundaries
 Correct viscosity of lithosphere
 Correct thickness of mid-mantle boundary
 Correct rate of sedimentary loading at crustal subduction zones
 Correct biomass to comet infall ratio
 Correct regularity of cometary infall
 Correct number, intensity, and location of hurricanes
 Correct intensity of primordial cosmic superwinds
 Correct number of smoking quasars
 Correct formation of large terrestrial planet in the presence of two or more gas giant planets
 Correct orbital stability of large terrestrial planet in the presence of two or more gas giant planets
 Correct total mass of Oort Cloud objects
 Correct mass distribution of Oort Cloud objects
 Correct air turbulence in troposphere
 Correct quantity of sulfate aerosols in troposphere
 Correct quantity of actinide bioreducing bacteria
 Correct quantity of phytoplankton
 Correct hydrothermal alteration of ancient oceanic basalts
 Correct quantity of iodocarbon-emitting marine organisms
 Correct location of dislocation creep relative to diffusion creep in and near the crust-mantle boundary (determines mantle convection dynamics)
 Correct size of oxygen sinks in the planet’s crust
 Correct size of oxygen sinks in the planet’s mantle
 Correct mantle plume production
 Correct average rainfall precipitation
 Correct variation and timing of average rainfall precipitation
 Correct atmospheric transparency
 Correct atmospheric pressure
 Correct atmospheric viscosity
 Correct atmospheric electric discharge rate
 Correct atmospheric temperature gradient
 Correct carbon dioxide level in atmosphere
 Correct rates of change in carbon dioxide levels in atmosphere throughout the planet’s history
 Correct rates of change in water vapor levels in atmosphere throughout the planet’s history
 Correct rate of change in methane level in early atmosphere
 Correct Q-value (rigidity) of planet during its early history
 Correct variation in Q-value of planet during its early history
 Correct migration of planet during its formation in the protoplanetary disk
 Correct viscosity gradient in protoplanetary disk
 Correct frequency of late impacts by large asteroids and comets
 Correct size of the carbon sink in the deep mantle of the planet
 Correct ratio of dual water molecules, (H2O)2, to single water molecules, H 2O, in the troposphere
 Correct quantity of volatiles on and in Earth-sized planet in the habitable zone
 Correct triggering of El Nino events by explosive volcanic eruptions
 Correct time window between the peak of kerogen production and the appearance of intelligent life
 Correct time window between the production of cisterns in the planet’s crust that can effectively collect and store petroleum and natural gas and the appearance of intelligent life
 Correct efficiency of flows of silicate melt, hypersaline hydrothermal fluids, and hydrothermal vapors in the upper crust
 Correct efficiency of ocean pumps that return nutrients to ocean surfaces
 Correct sulfur and sulfate content of oceans
 Correct orientation of continents relative to prevailing winds
 Correct infall of buckminsterfullerenes from interplanetary and interstellar space upon surface of planet
 Correct quantity of silicic acid in the oceans
 Correct heat flow through the planet’s mantle from radiometric decay in planet’s core
 Correct water absorption by planet’s mantle
 **Each requirement on this partial list of universal constants (322 constants listed here) is highly unlikely to occur at random or by chance. When we add them all together we begin to see the absurdity that one calls atheism.
 
DEFENDING THE PREMISES:
Defending P1 - If there is another reason to accept an event had occurred with a probability close to zero, besides being mentally ill or suppressing an obvious truth, you would have to let us know. We feel there is no other reason to accept a non-observable event with such astonishing low probabilities.
 


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